{"id":539,"date":"2013-08-27T16:15:39","date_gmt":"2013-08-27T14:15:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.proof.de\/?p=539"},"modified":"2020-05-08T13:30:24","modified_gmt":"2020-05-08T11:30:24","slug":"farve-korrektion-flyer-alarm-vs-flyerwire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/farbverbindlichkeit-flyeralarm-vs-flyerwire\/","title":{"rendered":"Reklamation p\u00e5 grund af forkert farve: En tilf\u00e6ldig sammenligning af Flyeralarm og Flyerwire med hensyn til farvepr\u00e6cision"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kk-star-ratings kksr-auto kksr-align-right kksr-valign-top\" data-payload='{\"align\":\"right\",\"id\":\"539\",\"slug\":\"default\",\"valign\":\"top\",\"ignore\":\"\",\"reference\":\"auto\",\"class\":\"\",\"count\":\"0\",\"legendonly\":\"\",\"readonly\":\"\",\"score\":\"0\",\"starsonly\":\"\",\"best\":\"5\",\"gap\":\"5\",\"greet\":\"Jetzt bewerten\",\"legend\":\"0\\\/5 - (0 votes)\",\"size\":\"24\",\"title\":\"Reklamation wegen falscher Farbe: Ein zuf&auml;lliger Vergleich von Flyeralarm und Flyerwire in Sachen Farbverbindlichkeit\",\"width\":\"0\",\"_legend\":\"{score}\\\/{best} - ({count} {votes})\",\"font_factor\":\"1.25\"}'>\n            \n<div class=\"kksr-stars\">\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-inactive\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"1\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"2\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"3\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"4\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"5\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-active\" style=\"width: 0px;\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n                \n\n<div class=\"kksr-legend\" style=\"font-size: 19.2px;\">\n            <span class=\"kksr-muted\">Bed\u00f8m nu<\/span>\n    <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<p>For nylig har vi et visitkort p\u00e5 <a title=\"Flyerwire\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flyerwire.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Flyerwire<\/a> print, for her kan man, selv om det koster lidt flere penge end f.eks. med <a title=\"Flyeralarm\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flyeralarm.com\/de\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Flyeralarm<\/a> ville ogs\u00e5 - efter vores mening - f\u00e5 visitkort af h\u00f8jere kvalitet. Resultatet var skuffende for f\u00f8rste gang i mange \u00e5r: Farverne var d\u00e5rligere end de <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/lexikon\/proof\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Et proof (korrekt: kontraktproof) er en ISO 12647-7-certificeret proofinganordning til den grafiske industri. Et korrekturtryk simulerer farven ved offset- eller dybtryk p\u00e5 en farve- og juridisk bindende m\u00e5de inden for de sn\u00e6vre tolerancer i ISO-standarden.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Bevis<\/a> klart overm\u00e6ttet, for- og bagside er ikke identiske, men meget forskellige. P\u00e5 grundlag af den <a title=\"DCS-bog\" href=\"https:\/\/grafipress.de\/products\/dcs-book-cmyk-professional-edition?_pos=3&amp;_sid=5256666cb&amp;_ss=r\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">DCS-b\u00f8ger<\/a> konstaterede vi ved en f\u00f8rste sammenligning, at is\u00e6r i magentaomr\u00e5det mellem 90% og 100% magenta blev trykt i stedet for den angivne 70%. Den gule farve syntes ogs\u00e5 at v\u00e6re klart overm\u00e6ttet.<\/p>\n<p>Efter en klage blev kortet leveret en anden gang af Flyerwire 10 dage senere. Nu er det meget bedre, men stadig langt fra det certificerede bevis. Is\u00e6r det lyse cremefarvede omr\u00e5de var tydeligt misfarvet. Vi klagede endnu en gang og bestilte - udelukkende af interesse - et visitkort hos Flyeralarm med de samme trykdata.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Mens kortet stadig var under reklamation hos Flyerwire, og vi ventede p\u00e5 feedback, blev det trykte kort leveret af Flyeralarm: Det matchede perfekt vores korrektur med hensyn til farve, men desv\u00e6rre ikke s\u00e5 godt som Flyerwires kopi med hensyn til udseende og f\u00f8lelse. Nu tog Flyerwire ogs\u00e5 kontakt via telefon: De var meget glade for vores klage (\"det er den eneste m\u00e5de, vi kan forst\u00e5 og l\u00f8se problemer p\u00e5\"), og vi sendte Flyerwire fire visitkort: Deres f\u00f8rste batch, deres anden batch, vores korrektur og det trykte kort fra Flyeralarm.<\/p>\n<p>En st\u00e6rk uge senere ankom genoptrykket fra Flyerwire: Meget flot i farverne og helt i overensstemmelse med pr\u00f8vetrykket og kortet fra Flyerwire - og: haptisk simpelthen i den s\u00e6dvanlige kvalitet af vores Flyerwire-kort. Kunden var glad.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Konklusion<\/strong>Onlineprintere er i en fremragende position til at producere print i de korrekte farver i henhold til processtandarder, selv i sm\u00e5 formater og oplag. <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/lexikon\/offsetdruck\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Offsettryk er en indirekte trykproces. Indirekte betyder, at trykformen og substratet ikke kommer i direkte kontakt med hinanden, men at der anvendes et medium som overf\u00f8ringsmiddel. Det er den mest udbredte trykproces. Der findes: - offsetpresser med arkf\u00f8de og - offsetpresser med rulle.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Offsettryk<\/a>DIN 12647-2. I vores specifikke tilf\u00e6lde er tilstedev\u00e6relsen af en <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/lexikon\/proofs\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"I trykkeribranchen henviser pr\u00f8vetryk (eller proofprints) til den farve- og juridisk bindende simulering af et trykresultat til kontrolform\u00e5l. Den standard, der er ansvarlig for korrekturtryk, er ISO 12647-7:2016, dvs. den aktuelle revision fra 2016.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Beviser<\/a> hjalp os meget i klageprocessen. Og efter ca. 20 dage og to reklamationer havde vi ogs\u00e5 det bestilte produkt i de bestilte farver i hus fra vores \u00f8nskede trykkeri.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_544\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-544\" style=\"width: 574px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blog1.proofen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/IMG_9808_v2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-544\" src=\"https:\/\/blog1.proofen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/IMG_9808_v2-739x1024.jpg\" alt=\"Billedet viser fem visninger af et visitkort: Flyerwire 1. tryk, Flyerwire 2. tryk, Flyerwire 3. tryk, Flyeralarm tryk, Proof of shop.proof.de\" width=\"584\" height=\"809\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/IMG_9808_v2-739x1024.jpg 739w, https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/IMG_9808_v2-216x300.jpg 216w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 100vw, 584px\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-544\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Billedet af Flyerwire- og Flyeralarm-visitkortene er naturligvis ikke bindende med hensyn til farve, men tjener som reference. <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/lexikon\/led\/\" target=\"_self\" title='En LED er en &quot;light-emitting diode&quot; og st\u00e5r i den grafiske branche for det nye &quot;LED&quot;-lys, som har erstattet \u00e6ldre lyskilder som neonr\u00f8r og wolframlamper. Neonr\u00f8r er hovedsageligt kendt fra D50- eller D65-standardlysomr\u00e5det, mens wolframlyskilder hovedsageligt blev brugt i farvem\u00e5lingsenheder som spektrofotometre og farvem\u00e5lere....' class=\"encyclopedia\">led<\/a>kun til visualisering.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Vores erfaring med reklamationer fra andre onlinetrykkerier er den samme for os: Alle reklamationer er altid blevet h\u00e5ndteret relativt hurtigt, sympatisk og positivt. Kun \u00e9n gang med <a title=\"Print24\" href=\"http:\/\/www.print24.de\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Print24<\/a> vores anmodning blev afvist, selv om trykket helt sikkert ikke ville have overholdt ISO's afvigelser overhovedet, men d<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/lexikon\/efi\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Electronics For Imaging Inc. er en amerikansk virksomhed og producent af et af verdens f\u00f8rende proofing-systemer: EFI Colorproof XF, siden 2013: Fiery XF. EFI er en leverand\u00f8r af l\u00f8sninger til store tryksystemer, RIP&#039;er og farveh\u00e5ndteringsl\u00f8sninger som f.eks. proofing.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">efi<\/a>nitive var uden for enhver tolerance. Med et ordrebel\u00f8b p\u00e5 over 500 euro var det irriterende, men kunden accepterede en reduktion fra vores side. I alle andre tilf\u00e6lde var reklamationerne altid vellykkede. Og med mere end 1000 printjobs alene hos Flyeralarm er vores reklamationsrate meget begr\u00e6nset, bestemt ikke mere end et par procent af den samlede volumen.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For nylig fik vi trykt et visitkort hos Flyerwire, for selv om de koster lidt mere end for eksempel Flyeralarm, ville de ogs\u00e5 levere visitkort af - efter vores mening - h\u00f8jere kvalitet. Resultatet var for f\u00f8rste gang i mange \u00e5r skuffende: Farverne var klart overm\u00e6ttede i forhold til korrekturet, og for- og bagside var ikke identiske, men meget forskellige. Ved hj\u00e6lp af DCS-bogen foretog vi en f\u00f8rste sammenligning og fandt ud af, at is\u00e6r magenta-farverne var trykt mellem 90% og 100% magenta i stedet for den specificerede 70%. Den gule farve s\u00e5 ogs\u00e5 ud til at v\u00e6re klart overm\u00e6ttet. ... <\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more-container\"><a title=\"Reklamation p\u00e5 grund af forkert farve: En tilf\u00e6ldig sammenligning af Flyeralarm og Flyerwire med hensyn til farvepr\u00e6cision\" class=\"read-more button\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.proofs.de\/da\/farbverbindlichkeit-flyeralarm-vs-flyerwire\/#more-539\" aria-label=\"L\u00e6s mere om Klage p\u00e5 grund af forkert farve: En tilf\u00e6ldig sammenligning af Flyeralarm og Flyerwire med hensyn til farven\u00f8jagtighed\">L\u00e6s mere her<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":544,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,18,443,441,7],"tags":[21,114,113,116,519,115,117],"class_list":["post-539","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-haufige-fragen","category-haeufige-fragen-zu-proofs","category-layout-tipps-und-tricks","category-proof-wissen","tag-farbverbindlich","tag-flyeralarm","tag-flyerwire","tag-print24","tag-proof","tag-reklamation","tag-visitenkarte","generate-columns","tablet-grid-50","mobile-grid-100","grid-parent","grid-50","no-featured-image-padding","resize-featured-image"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 5.0.1.1 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Wegen falscher Farben haben wir bei Flyerwire reklamiert, und aus Interesse parallel bei Flyeralarm drucken lassen. 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